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    Catoprion mento and Pygopristis denticulata are not piranhas.

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    Topic Catoprion mento and Pygopristis denticulata are not piranhas.

    Post by miko on Fri May 07 2010, 23:25

    Catoprion mento and Pygopristis denticulata are not piranhas.

    Although people give them the common names of Wimple piranhas and Lobetoothed piranhas they are not the real McCoy.

    The only 3 genera cataloged as “real” Piranhas are Pygocentrus, Pristobrycon and Serrasalmus.
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    Topic Re: Catoprion mento and Pygopristis denticulata are not piranhas.

    Post by CombiChrist on Sat May 08 2010, 02:19

    Partly true. But following that genera (I guess you mean the Orti phylogeny), you should have excluded Pristobrycon striolatus also, for that species also is excluded in that DNA based phylogeny.

    On the other hand we should keep in mind that "piranha" is a common name attributed by the original S-Americans. And that name is exclusive attribuited to only the Pygocentrus genus, the others are called Pirambeba.


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    Topic Re: Catoprion mento and Pygopristis denticulata are not piranhas.

    Post by CombiChrist on Sat May 08 2010, 14:44

    That Orti phylogeny has later been confirmed by Freeman :



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    Topic Re: Catoprion mento and Pygopristis denticulata are not piranhas.

    Post by miko on Thu May 13 2010, 08:13

    I will try to post a video pretty soon of Antonio Machado - Allison himself explaining why they are not "true" piranhas.
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    Topic Re: Catoprion mento and Pygopristis denticulata are not piranhas.

    Post by CombiChrist on Thu May 13 2010, 14:19

    "True" piranhas is the common name only given to the Pygocentrus species. Not even the Serrasalmus and Pristobrycon genera are called "true" piranhas, but pirambebas.
    I will be interested in the video though Bowdown
    Always god to hear a scientific explanation instead of the fuzz about common names Smile
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    Topic the piranha video

    Post by miko on Wed Jun 16 2010, 03:11